The Future of Rangers FC

  • Von einigen polemischen Abschweifungen abgesehen, schreibt Roddy einiges Interessantes. Insbesondere das die Bank selbst Mist gebaut hat und dafür 47 Milliarden an staatlichen Stützgeldern bekommen hat, die sie nun auf unsere und anderer Firmen Kosten eintreiben will. Und das z.B. Hearts nicht viel anders leben. Das Beispiel mit den Tims ist eher unpassend, denn das stammt aus einer Zeit, als es allen "gut" ging und bei den Tims augenscheinlich Mißwirtschaft geherrscht hat. Das Konzuept um da rauszukommen war damals sicher ähnlich, doch heutzutage als den "richtigen Weg für die Zukunft" anzupreisen (wie Peter Mhartin es sagt) ist Quark.


    Finde den Bericht auch nicht schlecht. Aber Vergleiche sollte man sich wirklich sparen, denn die aktuelle Weltwirtschaftslage ist nunmal eine ganz andere und lässt derartige Vergleiche nicht wirklich ernsthaft zu.

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  • Was David da sagt, ist ja im Grunde das, was man eh schon befürchtet. Für mich hat in den letzten Tagen auch nur eine einzige Person die Wahrheit gesagt und das war Walter. Er ist nämlich der einzige Mensch, der in dieser Situation überhaupt keinen Grund hat zu lügen. Denn ihm geht es um den Club und nichts anderes. Alle anderen beteiligten Personen (Familie Murray, Bank usw.) verfolgen zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt doch nur noch ihre eigenen Interessen. Der eine mehr, der andere weniger, aber letztendlich tun sie es alle. Ist ja auch normal, aber deren Worte sollte man wirklich keinen Glauben mehr schenken. Alles nur Lippenbekenntnisse.


    Das ist halt bei Walter anders, demnach war es gut so, dass er vieles mit seiner Frustaussage an die Öffentlichkeit gebracht hat. Ich mag lieber den Kampf mit offenem Visier. Und wie man Davids Zeilen entnehmen kann, ist dieser angenommen. Gut so! :knueppel:

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  • Rangers Statement


    The Board of Directors of the Club has no further comment to make on the announcement made on Monday 26 October 2009.


    Further comment by the Club's Board, if any, will be in accordance with the City Code on Takeovers and Mergers by way of a further announcement to the PLUS market.


    As previously stated, the Club's Board has been advised by our principal shareholder, Murray International Holdings Ltd, that it is considering options regarding its shareholding in the Club. This may, or may not, lead to Murray International disposing of some or all of its stake in the Club to a third party.


    We would also take this opportunity to advise that, further to recent enquiries, the Club can confirm the preliminary announcement of our results for the year to 30 June 2009 will be made on 12 November 2009, with the subsequent AGM to be held at Ibrox on 7 December 2009 at 11am.


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  • Passend zum Anlass (Timothy geht mit 4 Punkten in Führung und die Rangers haben ein schwieriges Auswärtsspiel) und wie nicht anders zu erwarten, erzählen uns heute die Zeitungen gar garstige Geschichten über Dave King und seine Affären in Südafrika. Ich spare es mir, den Artikel aus dem Scotsman zu verlinken.

  • Gers fans in talks on takeover


    Rangers fans are holding secret talks over a rescue bid for the debt-ridden club.


    Supporters' groups are examining proposals which could see season ticket-holders taking a stake in the side.


    It would mean thousands of fans investing to lend financial muscle to some of the parties fronting a possible takeover bid.


    Last night Rangers Supporters' Assembly spokesman Andy Kerr said: "The concept of the fans having a stake is one we are keen to pursue.


    "It wouldn't mean fans running the club, but having a say in major discussions and decisions."


    Rangers Supporters Trust spokesman David Edgar added: "I think there is a desire in a joint initiative, where you would have a major shareholder and also the fans playing a significant role in the club."


    The news came as it emerged that a widow is the second biggest shareholder in the club - who are £30million in debt.


    Agnes King, 74, of Alexandria, Dunbartonshire, owns a £1.5million stake of three million ordinary shares - which were put in her name by tycoon son Dave.


    He is reportedly preparing a takeover bid.


    Ex-chairman Sir David Murray still owns 92 per cent of the shareholding.

    Sun

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  • Gestern meinte jemand auf FF, daß ein "ex-director" gerade etwas mit jemandem in Dubai zusammenschustert.


    Solange nicht Klarheit über Kings Status in Südafrika herrscht, wird da nix passieren.


    Mittlerweile nervt das "debt ridden". Man sollte anderherum mal fragen, wie "debt-ridden" Lloyds ist.

  • Ich denke auch, dass Dave King aktuell überhaupt nicht in der Lage ist, selbst wenn er den Club übernehmen wollte. Jedenfalls nicht unter seinem Namen. Und wir brauchen auch keine Übernahme, die in einem Jahr vielleicht schon wieder auf wackeligen Beinen steht. Dafür ist sein Status derzeit einfach zu unsicher.


    Ja, es klingt in der Tat sehr skurril, wenn man immer von uns spricht, die Situation der Bank aber völlig unbeachtet lässt.

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  • Der Trottel, den der Kicker regelmäßig kommentieren läßt kann es wieder nicht lassen:


    Zitat

    Brothers in blue even more in the red than Ibrox club
    Phil Gordon


    Published on 1 Nov 2009

    RANGERS supporters who might look longingly to Germany as a source of inspiration for a new era built on fans having a major say – and stake – in the running of their football club, will be dismayed to learn that their brothers in blue at FC Shalke 04 are even more in the red than those at Ibrox. The Bundesliga possesses the strictest ownership rules of any league in Europe, with club members always controlling the majority of the shares and supporters given a voice on the board, yet that has not stopped Schalke running up debts of £136.5 million as they try to pursue commercial growth to help them match big-spending teams in Spain and England. The huge wage bill for 2008/09 – that included former Rangers winger Peter Lovenkrands - of £61m saw general manager Andreas Muller fired recently and the club have to find £18m before the end of the year and another £9m before mid-March, when the Bundesliga looks at the books of every one of its 18 teams before granting it a licence to operate – and play – next season. If they do not like the projected balance sheet, Schalke, one of Germany’s best-supported teams, will be demoted. Fans in Germany carry considerable weight, which is why there are standing areas in stadia and cheap tickets of just €5 to make it the world’s best-supported league. Ironically, it was the board’s decision to built the 61,000 capacity Veltins-Arena in 2001 which is killing the club with annual interest payments on their loans of £18m. Coach Felix Magath, who is also the chief executive, just as he was at VfL Wolfsburg before arriving at Schalke last summer, said recently: “We have a lot of passion but no money.” The Bundesliga rules state that no individual can own more than 49% of a club. The remainder has to be owned by the Verein, which is the original sporting club. Magath’s old club, Wolfsburg, the German champions, are of course bankrolled by Volkswagen and Bayer Leverkusen by the pharmaceutical company Bayer, but both sides sprang from the original works’ team. 1899 Hoffenheim are owned by billionaire Deirman Hopp, but even then his legal shareholding is pegged at 49%, unlike Sir David Murray at Ibrox. Essentially, German clubs must be non-profit making organisations but the Bundesliga offered a helping hand in 1999 to recognise the growing power of finance in football by allowing the sportings clubs to spin-off the football team and make it a separate corporation, to allow Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Schalke and others to develop their commercial activities. However, that commercial zeal carries a risk, especially in a global downturn, as Murray has also found. Schalke have actually put a motion to the Bundesliga that all clubs must keep to a rule capping salaries at 70% of turnover for next season “for sporting reasons. Bundesliga CEO Christian Seifert has urged Uefa to exclude from European competition clubs who do not conform to its financial fair play regulations, which would include not only Rangers, but Barcelona, Real Madrid, Manchester United, Liverpool and several other big names. He said Uefa should do “everything that is possible” to protect the integrity of its “key entertainment brands” such as the Champions League. Seifert warned that the obsession with financial dominance and the increasing predictability of European football threatens the game with crisis. He added that fans might eventually turn away from football. “If you lose the fans, you lose the game,” he said.

    The Herald


    Der fett-markierte Teil ist jener, der völlig unnötig ist. Denn die 25-32m, die uns gerade drücken sind mitnichten auch nur annähernd mit dem vergleichbar, was Schalke angestellt hat, oder was Barca, Real und die englischen Top 4 so treiben.

  • Ja, da wirft man halt mal alles in einen Topf, damit man ja etwas zu schreiben hat. Fürchterlich. Niemals in 100 Jahren wird die UEFA sich um Clubs wie Man Utd, Barca, die ganzen Italiener oder vor allem Real kümmern. Die werden immer machen können was sie wollen. Zumal in Italien und Spanien ja auch die Politiker hinter den Clubs derart korrupt sind und nahezu alles durchwinken.

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  • In diesem Sinne ... Ausländerregeln. Vielleicht weiß ja noch jemand, wie wir damals 1992/3 mit nur drei Ausländern in der CL kämpfen mußten. Bei Arsenal sitzen zur Zeit zwei Jungspieler auf der BAnk, ansonsten spielen ausschlißlich Ausländer. Nicht viel anders bei Chelsea (Lampard, Cole). Da hofft man ja, daß Herr Platini seine Ankündigungen mal wahr macht!

  • Ibrox leader spells it out...

    by Matthew Lindsay


    Rangers chairman Alastair Johnston has confirmed what SportTimes told our readers nearly a fortnight ago - Lloyds Banking Group will take drastic action at the end of the season if no buyer can be found for the Ibrox club.


    New Gers supremo Johnston flew from his base in the USA to Glasgow this week before heading out to Romania for the club's Champions League showdown with Unirea Urziceni in Bucharest.


    Hours before that game he outlined the worst-case-scenario the Scottish champions face to a group of corporate fans who were attending the game.


    Speaking at the team hotel before kick-off in Steaua's stadium, the IMG vice-chairman told the wealthy supporters that Lloyds will implement savage cuts and dramatically scale down the ambition of the club if no buyer comes forward by next May.


    The club, who are now being run by the bank's man Donald Muir, are also likely to off-load star names in January should decent money be tabled.


    The only way to avert this eventuality, which will include most of the first-team squad being sold off to reduce substantial debts believed to total around £30 million, is for Sir David Murray's 90 per cent stake to be snapped up.


    Johnston personally appealed to the business-men in Bucharest to make themselves known to the club's hierarchy if they had any intention of investing.


    ET

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  • Was die ET wieder so alles weiß ... (und verbreiten tun sie natürlich nur das worst-case scenario)


    Übrigens, off-load geht nicht so einfach. Wie bei den meisten Gschäften, braucht man nicht nur den Willen des Verläufers, sondern auch einen willigen Käufer UND die Zustimmung des Spielers.

  • Hamburg fans' chief Jens Wagner has urged Rangers supporters to mount a takeover bid at Ibrox. (Daily Express)

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  • Gers fans seek clout for buy-out


    by Matthew Lindsay


    Rangers fans will be given an insight into how they could help fund a takeover of their club in a meeting at Ibrox this weekend.


    Fans' representatives from Hamburg - the Bundesliga club which is 100 per cent member-owned - and Espanyol, will address the GersPride conference which has been organised by the Rangers Supporters' Trust.


    A supporters' buyout combined with a consortium of wealthy local businessmen is being mooted as a possible way to seize control of the troubled Ibrox club who are expected to announce debts of around £30million when their annual figures are released this Thursday.


    Lloyds Banking Group is threatening to introduce savage cuts at the end of the season - which include offloading top-team stars - unless a buyer for Sir David Murray's 90 per cent stake is found.
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    Glasgow-born South Africa-based multi-millionaire director Dave King has been tipped to ride to the rescue of the stricken Scottish champions in their greatest hour of need.


    However, if King, who has tax problems in South Africa, does not make a move for Murray's majority shareholding then Rangers becoming a members'-run club - a model which is favoured by many clubs on the continent - has emerged as a possibility.


    Hamburg fans' chief Jens Wagner, who will address the GersPride conference on Saturday, believes it is a realistic possibility for the Scottish club.


    Wagner said: "For me, this is the best way to run a club, but I know it is not going to be easy for Rangers supporters to make it happen.


    "It all depends on whether or not they can raise the money to fund a buy-out and I don't know how they stand with that right now. Why shouldn't it work at Rangers though?


    "It works in Hamburg and we are a competitive side currently sitting third in the Bundesliga."


    Hamburg have 65,000 members who pay a yearly fee of 48 Euros. That money is generally spent on supporter-related activities due to tax laws.


    However, the members elect a supervisory board that then goes out and recruits suitable figures from the football, legal or business community to serve on the club board.


    Emotions at the meeting, which will be chaired by MP Brian Donohoe and will run from 11am to 3pm, are sure to run high.


    As well as discovering exactly how much debt Rangers are in this week, fans are set to learn what punishment, if any, Uefa will dish out to their club after the trouble which erupted at the Unirea Urziceni game last week.


    And they will also have the outcome of Phil Gartside's EPL 2 proposal - which goes in front of the top flight English clubs on Thursday - to chew over.

    ET

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  • Former Birmingham City chairman David Gold has hinted he would be interested in buying Rangers - but only if they secure a move to England's Premier League. (Daily Record)


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  • Give us 10 years and fans could own Rangers, insists supporters chief David Edgar


    Tony Mowbray dreams of turning Celtic into Barcelona on the field - Rangers fans would love to emulate them off it.


    The Rangers Supporters Trust have organised a conference at Ibrox this weekend and hope it will be the first step in a move to bring ultimate ownership of the club under the control of the Light Blues legions.


    Spokesman David Edgar admits it could take up to a decade but it's a road an increasing number of supporters believe is worth travelling with the reigning SPL champs in the financial grubber.


    They are effectively being run by their bankers, the Lloyds Group, and it's believed further swingeing cuts are planned for the end of the season unless a new owner is found.


    Edgar revealed they have already held talks with potential new investors in the club, financial heavyweights who have pledged to engage fans like never before.


    That will do for starters but another vision will be outlined at the Gers Pride conference on Saturday in front of around 250 supporters when key speakers from Hamburg and Espanyol will outline the pros and cons of full fan ownership.


    Edgar said: "There are clubs in the UK under full fan ownership but they are smaller outfits and people have argued it can't be done with bigger teams. However, there are few bigger than Hamburg, Barcelona or Real Madrid, who are all under the control of their fans.


    "We're not interested in the Ebbsfleet United model. This is not about supporters choosing who plays up front.


    "This is about engaging fans to take ownership of something that belongs to every single one of us who has Rangers in their heart. They see the mess our club is in because an us and them mentality has been forged between the club owner and fans in recent years. We have not been engaged - we're asked to pay our money up front and then shut our mouths.


    "However, we live in an internet world in which people want their say. The days of stumping up and sitting back have gone.


    "We're pumping millions into our club every year in ticket sales, merchandising and hospitality and are happy to do so but we want to know our voices are being heard and our concerns addressed. We've every right to have a say in where our club is going and if that happens it will bring back a real togetherness and sense of community.


    "We're not daft,we know therew ill be tough times along the way and that's why Barcelona are the best model for this type of ownership.


    "Forget the fact they are streets ahead on the field.Their fans accept every few years they have to build a new team and they will go through a spell when they don't win before - boom - it all clicks and they have a few years of fantastic success.


    "Crucially, they have a plan and they have accountability and we would love a similar say in how our club is run. There's no reason why the club can't be brought into full fan ownershipwithinfiveto10years."


    Edgar is at pains to stress the Rangers Trust may have organised the Ibrox get-together but are not driving the bus towards change.


    The Rangers Trust, Supporters Association and Supporters Assembly, who represent the vast majority of Ibrox fans, have joined forces to discuss the future.


    Edgar added: "This is not about what's best for individual fans nor individual groups of fans but what's best for the club. Let's face it, if we don't get this right we may not have a club at all.


    "We're not too big to fail - people would have laughed at the thought of the collapse of HBoS 18 months ago.We must work together."


    Edgar refused to name the wealthy potential investors they have already engaged in talks but admits they have been positive and it's now or never. He said: "They have to be judged by their actions and not their words because we know what it's like to be patronised and ignored.


    "However, we have spoken to potential investors who are keen to see greater fan representation at board level and for us all to take a greater chunk of the club.


    "One model could see new owners with 67 per cent of the club and fans 33 per cent, with supporter shareholding increasing year on year.


    "After all, unless you're Roman Abramovich looking to invest as a hobby it pays for any investor to come in with an exit strategy. It might be heresy for a Rangers fan to say it but similar to the plan Fergus McCann openly revealed when he bought Celtic.


    "If a new Rangers owner finally leaves the club having returned it to the fans it would be a fantastic legacy."


    The devil is in the detail, of course, and financial stability is key for a club who are expected to confirm later this week they are s30million in debt.


    That's a jaw-dropping sum but put into context Edgar points out it's the equivalent of every one of the 150,000 Rangers fan in Manchester for the UEFA Cup Final committing s20 a year for 10 years.


    He added: "If 50,000 season ticket holders committed an additional s30 a year to become members of the club it would generate around s1.5m annually. There would also be an opportunity for fans to pay additional monthly sums, with member benefits.


    "That money could be ring-fenced away from the core budget used to pay salaries and other costs.


    "Members would then have a vote on how to spend the money.


    "It's about democracy for the fans and government by the fans. It sure beats our current position where we're so close to financial meltdown."

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